Final Crisis: Ultimate Failure

MGM · Post by **MGM** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:02 pm

The topic titles does read Ultimate Failure and it is in the DC forum.

Mr Wallstreet · Post by **Mr Wallstreet** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:39 pm

At the risk of regressing the discussion:

I brought all paperbacks for 52, read them and enjoyed them.

I brought all paperbacks for Countdown and read them. It was less enjoyable than 52. I have yet to read the last paperback for Countdown.

Morisson's FC blew and I hope Didio he sticks with Vertigo in the future or team titles in the future.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:14 pm

Tragic Angelus wrote:Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Stop right there.. that's blasphemy.

After FC, not so much.

Mr Wallstreet · Post by **Mr Wallstreet** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:32 pm

MGM wrote:Yes, but it's about the failure of DC, and the glory of Marvel.

Not sure that DC's a complete failure just yet.

Despite how shitty FC turned out, I'm waiting on pins and needles for the mega GL event: War of Light.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:45 pm

Green Lantern is always good, though.

MGM · Post by **MGM** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:07 am

Except when it's about Hal Boredan.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:01 pm

Even then it is better than okay that a lot of superhero comics.

MGM · Post by **MGM** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:09 pm

wolf_2099 wrote:Even then it is better than okay that a lot of superhero comics.

That sentense makes no sense.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:43 pm

Hal Jordan, starring in GL, written by Johns, is still a better superhero comic than most others.

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:50 pm

Anything by Johns is better than most other comics.

MGM · Post by **MGM** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:52 pm

I must admit, he's a good writer. But he's so fucking nostalgic. QUIT REBUILDING YOUR FUCKING CHILDHOOD!

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:39 pm

I don't mind it honestly. I mean, I didn't read DC from the start, and only over the last 4 or 5 years have I switched over, so it's kind of a nice shake up of things that I'm enjoying.

Don't worry though, I'm sure tons of it will be undone in another 5-10 years.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:06 pm

MGM wrote:I must admit, he's a good writer. But he's so fucking nostalgic. QUIT REBUILDING YOUR FUCKING CHILDHOOD!

WALLY WEST IS AN AWESOME FUCKING FLASH!

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:26 pm

wolf_2099 wrote:WALLY WEST IS AN AWESOME FUCKING FLASH!

I'm fairly certain you just made my pants explode.

I love Wally West. Best. Flash. Ever.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:31 pm

Damnit. Now I am going to go on Megan's List for making Tragics pants explode.

But Wally West is awesome.

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:55 pm

He really is.

When he came back, I had gone to the comic shop on my lunch break from work, and my friends there told me to sit and read the book.

I was freaking out all day long after I read it. I kept yelling both out loud and in my head 'Wally West is back! he's fucking back!'

I was estatic all day long. It's the only downside to having Barry back.. Wally will kind of be pushed aside for just a bit in some places.

But he wasn't being written very well in his book after his return. I really want Geoff back on him to make him good again. He's struggled under every other writer since him.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:57 pm

How many good flash writers are there beyond Johns?

Same question for GL.

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:00 pm

Honestly I don't know. I would like to get Waid's run before Geoff took over, but I didn't care much for his take when Wally returned.. my old boss loved it and actually dropped the book when Johns first started, then said he wished he hadn't.

he had the whole thing for sale, but someone beat me to it

As for GL, I really don't know. I didn't read either title till he was on them, and Flash actually after the fact as I've read it in trade form, only doing singles when Bart took over, then Wally's return. As for GL, I started with Rebirth and then the new run, so I really couldn't judge.

wolf_2099 · Post by **wolf_2099** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:04 pm

I started reading both the them with Johns, too.
I read Waid's later run and did not enjoy it. I did not know he wrote before.

I may look into that

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:07 pm

Yea, from what I can gather, Waid basically was the only Flash writer prior to Johns.. he was on it for a few years, with little breaks here and there, but he primarily 'defined' Wally for a few years as the Flash before Johns took over.