Batman & Robin by Morisson

Mr Wallstreet · Post by **Mr Wallstreet** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:47 pm

It had a great start but I haven't been liking it much for the past 3-4 issues. The stories are getting weirder and weirder and harder to make heads or tails out of. I know thats what Morisson is known for but its not even good/funny/entertaining weird; its just confusing weird.

Anhyho, I'll probably drop it if it continues down this road. How is everyone else liking it? Anyone else agree or disagree?

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:48 pm

I'm leaning very close to dropping it, but the 3 issue stories make it a very quick and fast book. However, I agree that it's getting weirder and weirder and I have a few issues with it already.

1. Jason Todd came back in less than 4 months after the end of Battle for the Cowl. I reallly thought they'd ease off him for closer to a year, but no he was there in less than half of one. Pretty upsetting there.

2. The mass amounts of misplaced word balloons and dialogue in the last arc. Seriously? That gets past Editorial? Batwoman and Batman's dialogue swapped on more than one occasion over more than one book is too often.

3. Morrison's getting weird. The last half of the first arc veered for me, as I couldn't understand a lot of what was going on. First issue fantastic. By the third, he was already losing me. This story had a great premise, but I felt like Dick was way way way too uncharacteristic for rushing to the Pit. He would have thought that thru a lot more in my opinion.

Other than that it's still fun. Red Robin has become my favorite of the Batman Reborn books I picked up, only because Rucka is leaving Detective now, and Batwoman with him. But the tease taht it's about to tie into Return of Bruce Wayne up through and into issue 16 or so has me kind of hooked in until he may leave. But who knows.

XIII · Post by **XIII** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:54 am

Well, I'm glad you DC Zombies are finaly acknowledging some of of the shit editorial work done in those Broadway offices.

I'm with you guys that this book is getting too weird for me but the art, except for the Philipp Tan issues of course, makes up for it.

Mr Wallstreet · Post by **Mr Wallstreet** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:14 am

XIII wrote:Well, I'm glad you DC Zombies are finaly acknowledging some of of the shit editorial work done in those Broadway offices.

I'm with you guys that this book is getting too weird for me but the art, except for the Philipp Tan issues of course, makes up for it.

I've been saying that a lot of the stuff DC puts out, especially in relation to their Final Crises event, has been shit for more than a year. Same as Marvel.

Lets just hope Stocky doesn't hear us speaking ill of Morisson. He might roundhouse kick us to death like his idol Chuck Norris.

Stocky Boy · Post by **Stocky Boy** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:54 pm

Nah, Morrison's not exactly floating my boat with this book. It's not bad, it's just not that great. Not great isn't such a bad thing, but since it's Morrison, and the following is unfair, but, you do expect better when the product comes stamped with Morrison's name on it.

Incidently, I'm dropping Ennis's Battlefield books. This is further proof, along with the above, that I know when a favourite author is turning out feculant matter instead of masterpieces.

*Roundkicks everyone to death regardless - twice*

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:53 pm

I would say I'd duck the kick.. but he's too tiny to duck under...

But yea, I'm no Morrison fan, but I really wanted to give this a shot with Dick acting as Batman, and it definitely being the one that would tie back into Bruce's Return. I like how he's developing Damian, and this issue was a lot of fun but TONS of Wayne Family history just suddenly revealed?

I get the idea that if Bruce is in time, he's completely altering his family history, which is how you can justify this, but it seems to have come completely out of nowhere and just.. feels a bit rushed into one issue.

That to me is the downside to the 3 issue storylines. He gets straight thru it, but he tries to cram so much in that it feels like it might need to be fleshed out a little more.

Stocky Boy · Post by **Stocky Boy** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:36 pm

Lean into the kick Edbert. You need it, as it might knock some sense into you about DC comics.

This is my main point about Morrison (and Quietly) on Batman...

... was anyone else expecting All Star Batman done correctly?

Shame really. Shame.

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:04 pm

I have all the sense I need about the DCU thank you very much.

And just what do you mean by that? That this run on Batman is what All Star could have been or that it's what it's turning into? I'm a bit confused there.

XIII · Post by **XIII** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:03 am

He says he was expecting All Star Batman done right and it didn't happen.

Stocky Boy · Post by **Stocky Boy** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:36 pm

Ah yes, apologies for the confusion. Like Arn said.

Tragic Angelus · Post by **Tragic Angelus** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:47 pm

Gotcha. Do you think, now that his Return of Bruce Wayne is closer, and this storyline and the next tie into it, that Batman & Robin will take more a more active and defining role, and get progressively better? I'm hoping so, and felt like this issue got us going there but with another.. what, 6 or 7?, to go I'm still unsure.