Father at 13. Or is he?

[wolf_2099]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece

Not only does the kid get to be a father at 13, he gets to have a cheating whore of a girlfriend.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4637339/Schoolboy-father-Alfie-Patten-distraught-at-claims-Maisie-not-his.html

Discuss.

Does anyone know if Child Protective Services or the Brit equivalent would ever step in a situation like this?
I mean, how do a 13 year and a 15 year old (who is apparently a slut) make for suitable parents?
Unless the parents step in and take guardianship of the kid, how can they in good conscience let them raise the kids, especially since they obviously have no idea what is required of them.

[The French Biscuit]

The only question that popped into my head, and the one I want answered the most is;

Where are these kid's(i.e. the 13 year old and his apparently slutty girlfriend) parents?! :mad:

They have obviously failed miserably at their jobs and should be reprimanded. :mad:

I also think that Child Services should step in. These two are not fit parents based on what I have read.
:mad:

[Stocky Boy]

I think the Dr. Abortion should have stepped in!

This has been all over the newspapers in England.

I think I would be all for a minimum age for pregnancy and a suitability and financial security screening. I know it's harsh, but maybe fewer stupid kids will be less of a hindrance to society and the size of my pension payout this way?

[wolf_2099]

I want to know how that kid was even spewing man juice.

I mean, look at him.

[jedispyder]

....wtf? I like how all these kids are coming forward and saying they slept with her now. Not while she was pregnant, but after she already gave birth. "Oh yeah, I slept with her 9 months ago. Shit...maybe I shouldn't've said that..."

[wolf_2099]

....wtf? I like how all these kids are coming forward and saying they slept with her now. Not while she was pregnant, but after she already gave birth. "Oh yeah, I slept with her 9 months ago. Shit...maybe I shouldn't've said that..."

They want to be famous.

[Tragic Angelus]

He really does look like he's 7 years old...

Honestly, while I'm glad they had the child, I think giving it up for adoption would be the best and safest thing to do. Neither one of them can raise the child, and it'll end up falling to the grandparents to look after it the best.. and the girl's family doesn't seem to be in a position to do so very well, though I suppose they could. Still, I just hope the kid is well taken care of by someone who really does have a better chance of knowing what to do and taking care of it.

[Junkogen]

Wow....what a tragedy.:(

And obviously that child cannot raise a child. I suppose custody of that child's child should go to the grandparents. They have custody of the child, so I assume they should get custody of their child's child. As to which set of grandparents should have primary custody, that should probably turn into a legal issue.

Here's to hoping that kid turns out alright.

And yeah, what Stocky said. I seriously hope discussions about abortion and adoption were had.

[wolf_2099]

Wow....what a tragedy.:(

And obviously that child cannot raise a child. I suppose custody of that child's child should go to the grandparents. They have custody of the child, so I assume they should get custody of their child's child. As to which set of grandparents should have primary custody, that should probably turn into a legal issue.

Here's to hoping that kid turns out alright.

And yeah, what Stocky said. I seriously hope discussions about abortion and adoption were had.

You mean the parents who let this happen in the first place? This kid has no chance in the world.

apparently this kid isn't even the youngest father in that area, a 12 year old is known to be a father.

[Junkogen]

You mean the parents who let this happen in the first place? This kid has no chance in the world.

apparently this kid isn't even the youngest father in that area, a 12 year old is known to be a father.

Well, I don't know about you, but my parents didn't have full control over my actions. I'm not excusing the parents, but I also don't presume to know anything about them. It's a reflex to blame the parents, but there are some times that it's not their fault. For example, from what I understand and from what you've just mentioned, preteen fucking seems to be pretty commonplace in that neck of the woods. We all acted surprised at seeing that that boy was the father. So is it that much of a stretch to think that the parents didn't suspect that their little cherub would be banging out box?

But in terms of legality over the grandchild, it becomes a very slippery slope when you start taking kids away from parents. Where do you draw the line then on parents' rights?

[wolf_2099]

It also seems that if these kids dropped out of school to raise the kid, the grandparents would be set on by social services. This whole thing is a clusterfuck.

You should know enough of what your kids are doing to know if your twelve year old is doing something out of the ordinary with a fifteen year old. It isn't like the kid was a sneaky sixteen year old. He was twelve.

[Junkogen]

It also seems that if these kids dropped out of school to raise the kid, the grandparents would be set on by social services. This whole thing is a clusterfuck.

That's why I would think that legally custody would temporarily go to the grandparents until the parents were legal adults at which time custody would be transferred to them.

I agree. This is a mess. They should've given the child up for adoption or had an abortion to prevent any of this. But maybe this child's hardship will translate into it achieving great things as Shadowman's video about Barack stipulated. :rolleyes:


You should know enough of what your kids are doing to know if your twelve year old is doing something out of the ordinary with a fifteen year old. It isn't like the kid was a sneaky sixteen year old. He was twelve.

Yeah, but the girl was fifteen and, if we assume what others are saying is true, she knew exactly what she was doing. I suspect she may have been sexually abused.

[wolf_2099]

Suspect? I would say it was quite likely. I imagine you need to be somewhat "broked" to have this kind of sexual delinquency at such a young age.

I do agree the girl could have gotten away with it. I was speaking of the 12 year old boy, where was his parents?
Hell, at twelve I don't even think my balls had dropped, holy shit.

[Junkogen]

Suspect? I would say it was quite likely. I imagine you need to be somewhat "broked" to have this kind of sexual delinquency at such a young age.

Yeah, I was being a bit reserved. I would bet that she's a sexual-abuse victim.


I do agree the girl could have gotten away with it. I was speaking of the 12 year old boy, where was his parents?
Hell, at twelve I don't even think my balls had dropped, holy shit.

Yeah, but even at 12 my parents didn't know exactly what I was doing all the time. If I had had the mind and opportunity, I might have fucked some girl at 12 and my parents wouldn't have known or suspected anything. There was obviously a mastermind and it's probably related to child sexual abuse. The evidence points to the girl, but I suppose the boy could've taken advantage of her, too.

And, yeah, it's completely fucked.

[wolf_2099]

I didn't even think about sex at 12. This is part of it that I am having trouble wrapping my head around.

[Junkogen]

I didn't even think about sex at 12. This is part of it that I am having trouble wrapping my head around.

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm positing sexual abuse, which I hope the authorities there thoroughly investigate.

[wolf_2099]

I want to find out if this little kid is the father or not. Looking at him I can't see how he would not be shooting blanks.

[Junkogen]

Must be something in the water.

[Tragic Angelus]

It might seem physically like he isn't able to have a child, but the thing is boys never look like they can sexually reproduce when they can, whereas it's the opposite of girls. They may physically look ready, but they generally aren't. Being that he was 12/13 years old, he may very well have been ready to produce a child, just not actually look like he could.

But with him, because he looks so much younger than he actually is, that's why it's much harder to believe.

[Junkogen]

It might seem physically like he isn't able to have a child, but the thing is boys never look like they can sexually reproduce when they can, whereas it's the opposite of girls. They may physically look ready, but they generally aren't. Being that he was 12/13 years old, he may very well have been ready to produce a child, just not actually look like he could.

But with him, because he looks so much younger than he actually is, that's why it's much harder to believe.

Well, he's about your age, right, so I guess you would be the expert.

Are a lot of your classmates having sex at your age?

:D

[wolf_2099]

I want to find out if they will start doing DNA tests. If I was the boys parents I'd be demanding one.

[XIII]

There is something very rotten in the Kingdom of England.
I remember when I was living there, it struck at how young most of girls pushing baby carts were looking.
It's like you want to have sex before you even want to smoke a cigarette.

And yeah, what kind of life is this baby going to have? It should be taken from that boy. Not even a question.

[William McDert]

Last night Michaela Aston, of the anti-abortion Christian charity LIFE, said: “We commend these teenagers for their courage in bringing their child into the world.

“At the same time this is symptomatic of the over-sexualisation of our youngsters and shows the policy of value-free sex education just isn’t working.”

WOOOOWWWW What a stupid cunt!

And that girl is fucking gross.

[William McDert]

Oh and congrats to Ed for having a baby.

[Stocky Boy]

There is something very rotten in the Kingdom of England.
I remember when I was living there, it struck at how young most of girls pushing baby carts were looking.
It's like you want to have sex before you even want to smoke a cigarette.

And yeah, what kind of life is this baby going to have? It should be taken from that boy. Not even a question.

Thing is, they probably did smoke and drink before they first had sex - at 10. :-/

I think there's a huge stupidity and lazy problem in Great Britain. There needs to be a culling. :mad:
On the one hand, I don't entirely blame them, when you look at their lot in life, I can't help but feel that although they need to take responsibility for their effect on society, society let them down too. You can blame their and their parents lack of education, but you can't entirely blame that on the individual. Would it be so bad to facistly decide the direction of their lifes? They're directionless. I'm directionless too, but I'm not directionless a non-contributor and a drain all at the same time.

[ChimeraCreative]

All of the posed pictures of the teen daddy with the baby give me the creeps. >.<

[wolf_2099]

All of the posed pictures of the teen daddy with the baby give me the creeps. >.<

I know. I have friends who have bigger age differences with their siblings than that kid and his kid have.

[CBKA]

t's a reflex to blame the parents, but there are some times that it's not their fault.

Well said, blaming the parents is ridiculous. If anything i'd say its down to poor sex ed. we only got like 1 hour of it when we were 11 and that was it.

[CBKA]

I'm directionless too, but I'm not directionless a non-contributor and a drain all at the same time.

Im directionless too but im also a non-contributorand a drain

[The French Biscuit]

Well, I don't know about you, but my parents didn't have full control over my actions. I'm not excusing the parents, but I also don't presume to know anything about them. It's a reflex to blame the parents, but there are some times that it's not their fault. For example, from what I understand and from what you've just mentioned, preteen fucking seems to be pretty commonplace in that neck of the woods. We all acted surprised at seeing that that boy was the father. So is it that much of a stretch to think that the parents didn't suspect that their little cherub would be banging out box?


Alright, I had admit that was just a gut reaction, but I also concur that we can't excuse them completely. Parents still have to tell their kids somethings about the real world and not just leave it up to the school to teach them everything.

[The French Biscuit]

Well said, blaming the parents is ridiculous. If anything i'd say its down to poor sex ed. we only got like 1 hour of it when we were 11 and that was it.

Didn't you get the talk from your parents?

[CBKA]

I don't know anyone who got "the talk".

And sex at 13 isn't than uncommon here, just surprised he didn't wear a condom. You can get them for free if your under 18 here.

[wolf_2099]

I don't know anyone who got "the talk".

And sex at 13 isn't than uncommon here, just surprised he didn't wear a condom. You can get them for free if your under 18 here.

That is assuming he knew about birth control.
I think he was 12 when she was knocked up, and 13 when the baby was born.


Anyway. Oddly, there has been a ban of media coverage on this case, which is why we haven't really heard anything new.

From what I understand too, this is not that strange for Sussex, or Essex, or wherever this happened.

I think the only thing that made it newsworthy was how young the boy looked.

[CBKA]

He would have known, no doubt.