Avengers vs. X-Men [Archive]

Mr Wallstreet

12-11-2011, 07:26 AM

The next big Marvel event is Avengers vs X-Men

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35857

The Phoenix force is returning to earth looking for a host in Hope Summers. The Avengers want Hope to turn herself into the Avengers for Protection but the X-Men feel they can do a better job of protecting her. This will be the basis for Marvel's two super teams beating the shit out of each other rather than deal with the Phoenix force.

Of course this will be rendered moot when Jeans pops up out of nowhere and becomes the host for the Phoenix.

wolf_2099

12-11-2011, 01:52 PM

This seems silly, and contrived, but with the writers behind it I will be willing to give it a shot.

I just hope Jean does come back, I always liked her.

Stocky Boy

12-11-2011, 02:38 PM

This is the one written by the Marvel Illuminati right?

The writing concept seems interesting. It's worth a first issue read and see.

Tragic Angelus

12-11-2011, 07:14 PM

Style wise It reminds me Of 52 but with a different concept of course. I'm not thrilled At having Romita Jr as the first artist but at least he'll be done with early rather than ending with him. I'm wondering how long we have until the first delay or if Marvel can match DC on these bi weekly books.

wolf_2099

12-11-2011, 11:56 PM

4 or 5th issue delay, I think!

XIII

12-12-2011, 01:22 AM

Putting Kubert on the later issues is clever since he'll obviously be needing more time.
As for biweekly books, Amazing Spider-Man is usually on time, isn't it?

Tragic Angelus

12-12-2011, 04:56 AM

Fair point. I had forgotten they have been doin that for some time now. Though to be honest I dot even know that books schedule do if it's late I don't even know.

jedispyder

12-13-2011, 04:14 PM

According to BleedingCool, this mini will be polybagged with the free digital download. Or at least the #0 issue will be, including a fugly as hell blurb on the front that it includes a digital download (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/12/13/marvel-releases-cover-for-avengers-vs-xmen). If the whole series is polybagged then I'm not getting it. Fuck that shit. I already voiced my opinion on polybagged issues with my retailer and he understands and feels the same way.

CHEMICALX

12-16-2011, 09:21 AM

This has lots of potential for good and bad. I think there is a good story in there if the writers can make it work. I would also agree that it would make me very happy if at the end Jean came back to put an end to all this Hope/Phoenix/Wanda nonsense. Also i would love to see her move on from Scott and Emma

I can see a lot of fans arguing over this or that about their favorite character getting beat up but on the whole as long as the story is good im ok. I want storm to fry someone hehehe:badmood:

jedispyder

12-16-2011, 10:57 AM

If Jean comes back, I definitely see her going to the school with Wolverine. Not sure if she would shack up with Wolvie, but that would be awesome...

CHEMICALX

12-16-2011, 11:58 AM

If Jean comes back, I definitely see her going to the school with Wolverine. Not sure if she would shack up with Wolvie, but that would be awesome...

See i wouldnt want her to get with logan. I think she should spend time outside a relationship for awhile and just be Jean. Her family was destroyed the man she loved is with a bitter enemy. she was dead for cryin out loud i just think she needs some Jean time for awhile before jumping into another serious relationship.

Mr Wallstreet

12-19-2011, 06:25 AM

This is the one written by the Marvel Illuminati right?

No, no, no. It's being written by the Marvel Architects.

Also, I agree with Chem, when Jean returns, she needs to be by herself for a while to sort things out. No Wolverine, no cylcops and no X-Men. And maybe, just maybe, she can have a relationship with someone who isn't Logan or Scott.

CHEMICALX

12-19-2011, 08:11 AM

i would love to see her as an avenger maybe or maybe as an instructor at the avenger academy. Somewhere she can see some action and still develop as an individual. I think the main character to benefit from Jean's death has been scott. while i hate him more than ever now at least i feel something for him. Before he was just the guy standing next to jean...

Tragic Angelus

12-19-2011, 02:18 PM

I feel like Scott's grown tenfold with Jean dead and become a great character. I always hated him but now I really Enjoy him.

CHEMICALX

12-19-2011, 02:43 PM

I feel like Scott's grown tenfold with Jean dead and become a great character. I always hated him but now I really Enjoy him.

I really just dont like him. but as i said though i felt nothing for him before jean died so hate is better i guess. also funny sidebar, If you read the first issue of Astonishing X-men Scott's reasons for wanting to form the team are almost exactly the opposite of those he gave in the first issue of uncanny. I was reading this weekend and laughed at this. Although i guess he could say we tried it one way so now we are going to try the other. but litteraly like the two statements are coming from two different people.

Tragic Angelus

12-19-2011, 02:45 PM

I always hated Scott prior to Astonishing and more recently the move to San Francisco, but after her death he's really moved into being his own character and I like that. And I noticed the same thing myself as I had just thumbed through Astonishing Vol 1 prior to UXM 1 coming out and it was a nice show of change for him. We'll see how long he lasts that way.

Mr Wallstreet

12-20-2011, 06:29 AM

Before moving to SF it was always a given that Scott was Xavier's 2nd in command. Since Jean died and Xavier being MIA then returning and especially since moving to SF, Scott has moved front and center and shown that he's more of a leader by making the hard decisions that endear him to no one; just like a real leader usually is.

And hell, I'll even go out on a limb here and say that Scott shouldn't get back with Jean. Scott and Jean were a nice couple in their time but every time she's died, Scott's moved on and this time it should be for good.

CHEMICALX

12-20-2011, 08:51 AM

oh i completely agree I wouldnt image that scott would want to try a relationship again. I think they should address it but at the end of the day he isnt the man she knew and she is the living avatar of death and rebirth who wants to deal with that?! I say let him stay with Emma it would be good development for all three as emma would always be worried that scott wants to go back to jean.

Tragic Angelus

12-20-2011, 02:25 PM

CHEMICALX

12-20-2011, 02:57 PM

I'd like to see the story go that he would want to be with her again, but she doesn't agree with the decisions he's had to make. And he can't understand why she doesn't agree with them, and then have him go on to refuse to change and make other choices to be with her and leave her behind. Have the two of them split over ideology, similar to him and Logan, but with less violence.

you know the funny thing about all this is i think in the end Jean would have sided with Scott. She has always been more of a fighter and I could see scott making the same argument to her that he made to Ororo to get her to stay and be on the Brotherhood of Evil X-men

Tragic Angelus

12-20-2011, 04:11 PM

A persuasive argument maybe would've gotten Jean, but I feel that she's much more a teacher than she is a fighter. Maybe after Scott 'died' in 2000, she was much more of a fighter, but I think in reality Jean would not have wanted the kids to become soldiers like Scott did. I think she would've sided with Logan.

Mr Wallstreet

12-22-2011, 07:17 AM

I think the best thing to come out of this entire mess is Logan naming his school "The Jean Grey School of Higher Learning". It's such a kick to Scott's balls

CHEMICALX

12-23-2011, 02:00 PM

I think the best thing to come out of this entire mess is Logan naming his school "The Jean Grey School of Higher Learning". It's such a kick to Scott's balls

the fact that it got blown up in the first issue kinda proved scotts point lol... ok not really but still

Mr Wallstreet

12-27-2011, 06:37 AM

No, it does. People are going to keep attacking your ass regardless. Sticking your head in the sand won't help

CHEMICALX

01-05-2012, 10:14 AM

another thing i would like to see is the return of Bishop either in AvX or that cable story

XIII

01-06-2012, 11:48 PM

XIII

01-06-2012, 11:48 PM

MGM

01-07-2012, 02:50 AM

Verily. But Aaron writing Iron Man vs. Magneto is obviously awesome. And I dunno what the haters at Marvel may think, but Magneto would obviously win that battle.

CHEMICALX

01-07-2012, 06:51 AM

Verily. But Aaron writing Iron Man vs. Magneto is obviously awesome. And I dunno what the haters at Marvel may think, but Magneto would obviously win that battle.

honestly the way things have been written lately with the x-men and their powers you never really know how this battle or any of them will go. with everything magneto has done it would be really hard for me to believe that Ironman could beat him. The man shut down power around the world with an EMP once what is Tony really gonna do?

wolf_2099

01-07-2012, 10:32 AM

Who the fucks know with marvels writing these days.

Did anyone read defenders 2? It had one of the most ridiculous scenes I have seen lately.

Right up there with X-Men VS. Avengers: Versus.

Go Marvel. Ugh.

Chances are Iron man will have some sort of plastic armour, which will make no sense, either.

Mr Wallstreet

01-07-2012, 10:48 AM

Marvel has just won the award for the most ridiculously named mini of 2012. They have announced what is to be the ONLY tie-in to AvX and it will be... "Avengers vs. X-Men: Versus".

How fucking dumb is that name?

It seems like Quesada just threw his hands up in the and said "fuck it, lets just call it Avengers vs. X-Men: Versus and charge $6.99 for it.

Least now everyone *knows* Marvel has stopped trying...

jedispyder

01-07-2012, 12:00 PM

I'm sure Iron Man will have a ceramic armor and go "ha ha, can't get me!" and the writers will be retarded enough to forget about the bits of iron in a human's blood and make Iron Man win the battle.

jedispyder

01-07-2012, 12:00 PM

I'm sure Iron Man will have a ceramic armor and go "ha ha, can't get me!" and the writers will be retarded enough to forget about the bits of iron in a human's blood and make Iron Man win the battle.

MGM

01-07-2012, 01:40 PM

Except that in Magneto: not a hero Magneto clearly showed Iron Man that a non-metal suit doesn't mean a thing to Magneto. It was a scene that showcased how powerful he is. Leave it to Marvel to claim Iron Man 'learned' from that, though.

wolf_2099

01-07-2012, 02:14 PM

What about the fact that any electrical system in his armour would have metal in it for electricity?

Even if it was protected against EMP, Magneto could just rip it out.

Unless somehow Iron Man has a power negating thingymabobber for mutants now.

Mr Wallstreet

01-09-2012, 06:35 AM

If he doesn't, he'll just borrow one from Mr. Fantastic; that guy has invented everything under the sun.

CHEMICALX

01-09-2012, 10:37 AM

I really just dont see a win in the cards for Iron Man... there isnt anything he could do short of having a sniper with a very high powered rifle perched on a nearby roof top... Magneto's powers work on almost every level of the EM spectrum in some way or another. There are just too many ways for him to attack and win against Tony. That said maybe a case could be made for advanced speed and reaction time that might give tony the edge but thats grasping at straws at best.

I wanna see what they do with storm i hate the idea of another storm vs. thor battle. Even Claremont couldnt give her the win on that one...

MGM

01-09-2012, 11:00 AM

As long as Storm gets smashed up and broken down for good, 's all good with me.

wolf_2099

01-09-2012, 12:07 PM

If he doesn't, he'll just borrow one from Mr. Fantastic; that guy has invented everything under the sun.

At some point he probably invented a sun, too.

CHEMICALX

01-10-2012, 08:35 AM

so having read the first two issues of Magneto: Not a Hero (highly recommended by the way) I really dont see how Tony should win a fight with magneto. They had a moment in the first issue where tony was trash talking because he was in a rubberized suit of all things and had mags in a room with little to no metal. Needless to say Mags lifted every parked car on the block and was about to hit Tony in the back with a speeding Big rig truck lol...the stars would really need to line up just right for an Ironman win here...

MGM

01-10-2012, 11:30 AM

Apparently Psylocke vs. Black Widow is in the works as well. This one is a much closer fight. While Black Widow is probably a better fighter, Psylocke has the telepatic edge. I honestly don't know who would win that one. I'd prefer Psylocke, 'cause she's just awesome. On the other hand, so is Black Widow. Just less.

CHEMICALX

01-10-2012, 11:49 AM

this is another one of those impossible matches to me. Not because Widow is less awesome but Betsy has tp and tk. I could see Natashia putting up a fight against one but not both. again this comes down to who the writer wants to win. If its avengers i could see natashia pulling out an ultrasonic doohicky that messess up betsy's concentration but really there is very little in the widows arsenal that betsy cant deal with. Even as a Jean Grey light betsy has more than enough power to destroy her.

MGM

01-10-2012, 12:41 PM

I'm guessing Widow will have some psychic dampeners or something. Otherwise it'll be not really a contest.

wolf_2099

01-10-2012, 01:25 PM

What are Betsy's powers now anyway?
They've always changed quite a bit.

I could see Widow doing well, she's been up against much stronger companions for a very long time. Depending on Psylocks telekinesis.

CHEMICALX

01-10-2012, 02:10 PM

CHEMICALX

01-11-2012, 04:23 PM

so far here is what we have

Psylocke vs. Black Widow
Iron Man vs. Magneto
Thor vs. Storm
Spider-Man vs. Ice man
Rogue vs. Ms. Marvel
Hulk vs. Emma Frost
Cage vs. Beast

some of these battles seem really one sided... who the hell thought Emma Frost vs. the friggin HULK would be a good match?! Also Ice Man vs. Spidy? again im like wtf....but then Iron Man and Storm both have some pretty steep hills to climb in their battles too so if nothing else this should all be very entertaining.

wolf_2099

01-11-2012, 04:51 PM

These seems like the x-men are going to roll the avengers.

Pub stomp anyone?

Tragic Angelus

01-11-2012, 04:57 PM

While they're on those promos fighting an Avenger, how are they going to deal with the fact that Wolverine, Beast, & Storm are also Avengers? In the original promo image, Wolverine & Beast seemed to be on the Avengers side. And it'd make sense, since they aren't on Scott's team, but rather left his side.

Is this Scott's X-Men vs the Avengers, Logan's X-Men vs the Avengers, or All X-Men vs the Avengers?

wolf_2099

01-11-2012, 05:06 PM

MGM

01-12-2012, 12:14 AM

In the latest promo it's Beast vs... well, an Avenger. He's on the X-side.

CHEMICALX

01-12-2012, 12:39 PM

well it turns out that the promos are just marketing and they dont represent necessarily the battles that we will actually see in the story. They are saying that some might happen but not all of them will.

That makes more sense i guess although i wish they had said it from the beginning. I hope to see Eric bend Tony over and magnetically emasculate him. Some of the others are just insane as ive said.. all in all i will likely still pick this up but i dont have very high expectations.

Tragic Angelus

01-12-2012, 04:32 PM

True Beast is battling an Avenger but I still don't see him siding with Scott. They've been so bitter and angry at each other I doubt that a confrontation like that would bring them together.

MGM

01-13-2012, 12:15 AM

He doesn't necessarily have to be siding with Scott. Could be another X-man, or maybe he's just not into the plans the Avengers have for Hope.

Tragic Angelus

01-13-2012, 06:13 AM

True. With two sets of X-Men who don't necessarily get along the mechanics of AvX don't make as much sense to me. Unless this event will bring them back together already, which I really hope not.

Mr Wallstreet

01-13-2012, 06:35 AM

Wolverine is going to fight himself.

It'll be the classic "stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself'

wolf_2099

01-13-2012, 01:35 PM

Wolverine is going to fight himself.

It'll be the classic "stop stabbing yourself, stop hitting yourself, stop stabbing yourself'

Fixed!

Stocky Boy

01-18-2012, 01:48 PM

It will be 'Crisis of Infinite Wolverines!'

Earth Avengers' Wolverine

vs.

Earth New Avengers' Wolverine

vs.

Earth Wolverine and the X Men's Wolverine

vs.

Earth Uncanny X Force's Wolverine

vs.

Earth Wolverine's Wolverine

Who wins?

wolf_2099

01-18-2012, 02:05 PM

No one, that sounds like an awful, yet absolutely hilarious idea.

But the fight would also never end, Wolverine can't die, they'd all have to be ongoings.

Mr Wallstreet

01-18-2012, 02:42 PM

I'm going to put my money on 'Earth Wolverine's Wolverine" because it has Wolverine's name in it twice. He may not be able to die but anyone with their name in the title twice will probably come the closest.

MGM

01-19-2012, 01:55 PM

No one, that sounds like an awful, yet absolutely hilarious idea.

But the fight would also never end, Wolverine can't die, they'd all have to be ongoings.

Get Aaron and Kubert on it, and I'd buy it even it'd be a 24 issue maxi series. And let them throw in alternate universe Wolverines as well! Say, all of the ones we've seen so far.

MGM

05-03-2012, 01:22 PM

So eh... just read AvX #3.

And is it just me or is there either something we don't see/know yet or doesn't Brubaker know how to write Cap anymore? That was wildly out of character.

Tragic Angelus

05-03-2012, 04:19 PM

I felt the same, though I've not read any of his Captain America. That Cap would seemingly strike out at that way was shocking.

The only thing I could have attributed to it was his having been attacked by Scott first, fighting the X-Men in general, and then being duped by them. But I still don't think that was in his character from what I've always known of Cap.

jedispyder

05-03-2012, 05:11 PM

So far, it seems all the tie-in issues are amazing whereas the main series sucks big time.

Tragic Angelus

05-03-2012, 05:17 PM

I don't think the main series has been horrible but it's the fact that they're not wasting any time and getting right into it, where the longer story beats are in the tie in series and other books.

XIII

05-04-2012, 02:06 PM

Also, on issue 2, JRJR produced the worst art I've ever seen from him. It truly looked bad.

Tragic Angelus

05-04-2012, 02:30 PM

All of his modern Marvel art looks bad. He was the reason I didn't pick up Avengers when it relaunched.

jedispyder

05-10-2012, 08:56 PM

Has anyone used their smarthphone to look at the specific "Augmented Reality" or whatever the fuck AR stands for? I just downloaded the app and plan to check out the scenes in issue 2 and 3 when I get home. I kept getting confused when I first read the issue as to what AR stood for until I saw it finally in the back...

XIII

05-11-2012, 08:55 AM

I tried it, looked like shit, video kept buffering. Maybe it's my phone, it's getting old (HTC Desire with Android 2.2)